Having a build done at the moment, and the company are putting in a ASUS Sabertooth X79, which looked fine in stats, but wasnt aware was from 3year ago. They have said that any RAM over 1866 is unstable at this point, so would be pointless, but i argued wouldnt it be better to have a compatible Mobo for the future if the RAM gets better, and can stably support 2133-2400 etc in future. THey said the ASUS Sabertooth X79 can support higher, but needs configuration, if i wanted to later on. But seen talk about X99 soon, so it might be pointless.
I have also looked at reviews for the Asus Rampage IV Black Edition, which seems that best at the moment, and has a wealth of features. Trying to work out if the 100pound more is worth it though, and what real would applications i will get between them? Only thing ive noticed is being able to monitor temps with another dial? Not possible with the sabertooth? Any help would be great. Even though im totaly behind on the recent changes, would like to get a better knowledge of what is possible.
I want the smoothest possible experience, but if i can monitor things easier, then gives the opportunity to decide when things need fixing/configuring/optimizing. The Deluxe uses the 1150 for sound and the Black a tweaked version of the 1150, both are good, not quite to the SB quality but might well suffice for you (I'd try either before buying a sound card, I've got the same as the Black in my Hero and it's very good.I'm not a fan of the OC panel thing (just me, I don't like those softeware OC packages either, a person can do much better with a little playtime in the BIOS.
Could go 4x4 and try adding later, but if possible would get all 32GB from the getgo in a 4x8GB set, and, just a thought, the savings between the Black and the Deluxe would probably cover the increase in DRAM, might even be a few bucks left to put to a sound card if you find you need one.
. ROG 師傅 Array Arne Saknussemm PC Specs Laptop (Model) Laptop?No way! Hi fm sam bahadur You can run one dual channel kit on both boards in dual channel.but if you mean you want to try to run two dual channel kits together as a quad channel set up then I would strongly advise against it. Get one single quad channel kit of whatever size you need. Running multiple kits even of same make and model is never a good idea and indeed the RAM manufacturers themselves advise against this.
X79 in particular hates this.or rather the CPUs you run on X79 in general don't do this well at all. Hi fm sam bahadur You can run one dual channel kit on both boards in dual channel.but if you mean you want to try to run two dual channel kits together as a quad channel set up then I would strongly advise against it.
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Get one single quad channel kit of whatever size you need. Running multiple kits even of same make and model is never a good idea and indeed the RAM manufacturers themselves advise against this. X79 in particular hates this.or rather the CPUs you run on X79 in general don't do this well at all. I was thinking 2 bay corsair 8gb (2 x 8) total 16gb (CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10) (2 DIMMs in pic) yes and thnx for ur replay. ROG 師傅 Array Arne Saknussemm PC Specs Laptop (Model) Laptop?No way! Well you could do that yes.those single sticks are supposed to work in dual channel mode and the RIVBE and Sabretooth support dual channel.
One of the main reasons for buying x79 is to run quad channel RAM! So, possible.yes but I would try and find a quad channel kit if I were you. Haha i also want it.but $ matter.i can upgrade it after some time right? I do rendring and 3d modding so that y i will get 64 gb ram.after some time.
And coz of that m going with 8-8 gbs 2 DIMMs.thnx 4 rplay u saved ma life from morning i was luking for my answer.and atlas i got it.thnx. ROG 師傅 Array Arne Saknussemm PC Specs Laptop (Model) Laptop?No way! If by upgrade you mean add another two sticks of the same RAM then no.I would not advise that. X79 is very picky with RAM.
Trying to run four of those sticks together could be difficult or impossible. If you mean buy a quad channel kit at a later date then sure.run dual channel for now. Unless you really need 16GB of RAM I think I would prefer to run say 8GB (great for gaming and general computing) quad channel with higher frequency.something like this.might be around the same price i didnt get one thing. What is difference between 4 ram sticks and quad channel kit???????
And what is ram timing????? Where it is use?????. ROG 師傅 Array Arne Saknussemm PC Specs Laptop (Model) Laptop?No way! I didnt get one thing. What is difference between 4 ram sticks and quad channel kit??????? And what is ram timing????? Where it is use?????
A quad channel kit is 4 sticks of RAM that have been tested to work together. If you buy four sticks of RAM and try to run them together you will probably encounter problems since they have not been tested to work together.
The single sticks you were looking at appear to have been shown to work together in dual channel but more than that is not guaranteed. Likewise combining two dual channel kits is not the same as having a quad channel kit. A dual channel kit is two dimms that have been tested together. Even if you buy the same make and model of RAM from the same supplier on the same day it is unlikely that the kits that arrive will run well together since they might have been produced days or weeks apart and even the RAM chips that make up the dimm might be from different production lines/lots etc. And even chips from the same line and lot have enough variation that they need testing to work together. Timings are the numbers associated with the RAM.
First comes frequency.like 1600MHz 2133 MHz etc and then a list of primary timings.in the format 10-10-10-27. The first number in that group is arguably the most important and is known as 'CAS'.the CAS10 from the kit product number. If you divide the CAS number (10) by the frequency of the RAM 1600 and times by 2000 you get a number in nanoseconds for judging RAM speed.
(10/1600)x2000= 12.5ns Just as an example comparing that to the kit I linked (9/2133)x2000= 8.43ns.so a faster kit. Though for most day to day computing this difference in speed is not really noticeable. I'm not sure what you want to use your PC for so it's hard to make a call on the RAM but in general day to day computing and gaming 8GB is great and 1600 or 1866 is fast enough.especially with low cas numbers like 7 or 8 for 1600 or 8 or 9 for 1866.
If you are doing lots of photo work or video encoding or specialized computing you may need 16GB or 32 GB and faster frequencies.2133 or 2400+. A quad channel kit is 4 sticks of RAM that have been tested to work together. If you buy four sticks of RAM and try to run them together you will probably encounter problems since they have not been tested to work together. The single sticks you were looking at appear to have been shown to work together in dual channel but more than that is not guaranteed. Likewise combining two dual channel kits is not the same as having a quad channel kit. A dual channel kit is two dimms that have been tested together.
Even if you buy the same make and model of RAM from the same supplier on the same day it is unlikely that the kits that arrive will run well together since they might have been produced days or weeks apart and even the RAM chips that make up the dimm might be from different production lines/lots etc. And even chips from the same line and lot have enough variation that they need testing to work together. Timings are the numbers associated with the RAM.
First comes frequency.like 1600MHz 2133 MHz etc and then a list of primary timings.in the format 10-10-10-27. The first number in that group is arguably the most important and is known as 'CAS'.the CAS10 from the kit product number. If you divide the CAS number (10) by the frequency of the RAM 1600 and times by 2000 you get a number in nanoseconds for judging RAM speed. (10/1600)x2000= 12.5ns Just as an example comparing that to the kit I linked (9/2133)x2000= 8.43ns.so a faster kit. Though for most day to day computing this difference in speed is not really noticeable. I'm not sure what you want to use your PC for so it's hard to make a call on the RAM but in general day to day computing and gaming 8GB is great and 1600 or 1866 is fast enough.especially with low cas numbers like 7 or 8 for 1600 or 8 or 9 for 1866.
If you are doing lots of photo work or video encoding or specialized computing you may need 16GB or 32 GB and faster frequencies.2133 or 2400+ thnx now m geting it.
Tech Points: 1 From: United States Posted:6/27/2012 9:29:00 AM # 1 I hope someone can shine some light on this. I just put together my system with these specs: Asus Sabertooth x79 Intel i7 3930K Corsair Force GT 240GB SSD 2x 1TB Western Digital 6GB/s Hard Drives I hooked up the SSD to the Marvel STAT 6GB/s port and installed Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on it with no issues.Once I connected the 2 Western Digital hard drives I get 'Reboot and Select proper Boot device.' Message during boot up. When I take the WD hard dives off, it boots up just fine.
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I'm building my new gaming rig and I had the opportunity to purchase the I7-4930k for a good deal. So I took that opportunity and now I'm building around that CPU. This will be my first Intel build and my first high end'ish' gaming rig. In my rig now I have the AMD T1090 and the Sabertooth 990FX and I have never had an issue with the board even when I updated the bios.
So the Sabertooth series has been good to me. With this new build I have narrowed it down to two MBs. The Sabertooth x79 and the Rampage IV Black Edition. Money isn't an issue as I can save up for another month and get the more expensive one if needs be. I just want to get the board that will optimize the I7-4930k the best. I have been doing my own research and found two things that really stand out for me on the Rampage IV Black Edition: Intel Gb LAN with GameFirst The latest Intel 1217 Gb LAN minimizes CPU overhead under high bandwidth utilization, which combined with ROG GameFirst ensures the lowest ping times. For wireless scenarios, the included mPCle Combo combines 802.11ac Wi-Fi/Bluetooth 4.0 and M.2/NGFF slot in one.
And ROG RAMDisk Game faster from start to finish by combining ROG hardware and software. ROG RAMDisk software makes the most of the DIMM design on the Rampage IV Black Edition by creating lightning-fast virtual drives for temporary storage.
RAMDisk can also be used for partial caching to automatically store large, slow-loading files like maps into memory. Are these features needed? Are they used? Or are they just Asus bloat that people just ignore. I dont know enough about these features and if they are something that makes a huge difference in overall performance or not.
Like I said money isn't an issue but if I'm paying for features that won't be utilized then there is no point in paying the extra cash. I'll be transfering over my Samsung Pro 840 256 gig SSD, WD 1TB Black, GTX 680 x2 in SLI, Corsair 1200 power supply, 16 gigs or Corsair Vengeance Memory and I'll reuse my Corsair Carbide 300R case which according to the specs on the Motherboard an E-ATX Should fit with no issues.
(Can this be confirmed too please) I also will be purchasing the Corsair h100 extreme CPU cooler, will this cause space issues with my case I have now if I go the Rampage route? Other notes: I will be upgrading to Windows 7 Ultimate so I can fully optimize the new boards 64 gig potential. Then of course I'll be upgrading my memory (thoughts on new memory that best fits the board you recommend would also be appreciated.) I have no plans on getting a third GTX 680 but I suppose I could if you all recommend the Rampage over the Sabertooth. As I know the Sabertooth only has 2 slots for 2 video cards.
As far as overclocking. I've never been one to 'push the limits' of my rig.
A nice stable overclock will do and both of these boards will do this well so that isn't and buying feature I'm really worried about. Thank you in advance everyone who takes the time to read and answer my questions. It is much appreciated. For the ram disk, read this if you havent. From what i understand, it allows you to take advantage of the large amount of memory possible with the board to make a sort of 'ram hard drive' type of thing. RAM is faster than an SSD or HDD so this would in theory speed up the computer from a hard drive perspective, similar to how an ssd speeds up a system compared to a normal HDD, kind of like with using an ssd cache drive, sort of (I'm sure someone can explain this better). That being said, if you arent going to take the time to learn how to set it up it's more or less a useless feature to you.
As far as the LAN thing, use your judgement and research there. It sounds a bit like the Killer NIC that MSI puts into their z77/87 g gaming boards (from what I remember). I believe it said similar things about Killer, but actual tests proved that the difference was too minor to be worth the extra money. So again, use your judgement there, it might not be bloatware but it might have no more benefit than the 'thermal armor' for sabertooth boards.
It's not that they are bloat features, but you just might not use them. The way I see it, ROG boards are more aimed at maximizing the potential of the hardware for those that wish to do so.
These might be the people who want the highest overclocks, the best fps, the fastest render times. The sabertooth is more of an all-around reliable board, not quite as performance oriented as the ROG, but still has a very good feature set and is built to last. For those that are happy with a solid 60 fps in games, decent but not groundbreaking overclocks, and render times that allow us to go take a quick bathroom break, and most of all don't want to spend the extra money for ROG features we won't use, sabertooth is the better choice (in the end a lot of what you can do will be based on your other hardware anyway). My choice would be sabertooth as it's a sturdy, reliable, well-featured board, but if you decide that you might wish to use the options on that ROG board someday, you might just want to get it for peace of mind From what I remember the sabertooth (this was for z87 so x79 might would likely different) it was stable up to a certain point (I think like 4.5-4.6 ghz) and after that stability wasnt so great.
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Things will likely depend on how good the chip you will get anyway As far as the case, from what I read it looks like it should probably fit, but the cables (like SATA) might be a bit of a tight fit. You might consider Windows 8 unless you need something specifically from Win 7 Ultimate. See this page about memory on Windows 8.
Unless you absolutely cannot tolerate the new UI for windows 8, or have a program that is proven to have unforgivable issues with 8 and only works on 7, or have some other sort of serious issue with 8, then there isnt a huge reason to go with 7 over 8 in my eyes. The new UI takes about a week to learn (and in my opinion can often be more efficient than the old start menu). To me the whole OS feels a bit 'quicker' and from what I've heard 8 is more efficient and secure than 7 (that's delving more into technical stuff that I don't feel qualified to explain, but some quick research should get you there).
Windows 8 licenses can be transferred to other boards, as long as you only have it active on one computer at a time. Most stuff that works on 7 will likely work on 8. Half the time I don't even remember that I switched. If you were only upgrading from another license/ already had windows 7, i'd say stick with it, but for a brand new OS 8 makes more sense to me. The Ram disk thing should speed up your system I think if you set it up right, but like overclocking, make sure you research it properly before doing it. As far as the board goes, at that level it depends more on what you are willing to spend money on, both boards are going to be great.
Do you want to buy those extra features? Do you ever, ever think you might want to use them or at least experiment with them? Then buy the ROG. Do you want to save some money and go with the old, reliable board with the longer warranty?
Then sabertooth is the way to go. As one with a z87 sabertooth I can definitely agree that it is a good family of boards, but in the end it's your money to spend as you wish.As a side note, I bought a z87 board, but havent overclocked it yet, and don't plan to overclock in the immediate future.
But I figured that I MIGHT want to overclock sometime during my computer's life, and so planned accordingly. Remember, the motherboard is one of those parts that, while replaceable, is not something you really want to change later on.
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Hey guys, looking to upgrade my PC to a x79 chipset using a 3930k intel. My setup is currently running a corsair ax1200 and 2 3gbzotac gtx 580's. I'm looking to be able to use all of my pci lanes, and looking at these 2 boards. I would like to know all of your opinions and let me know which would be the better deal. Tiger direct has a deal going on with the 3930k and the sabertooth board, but I have use ROG boards in the past and really like them.
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So, what is the difference, and what do you guys think? Looking forward to hearing some good info and discussion.
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